Kirk's Weekly Guitar Lesson - La Malaguena

[Kirk Lorange]

http://www.guitarforbeginners.com/forum/ is where you'll find this
simplified version of thatbeautiful Flamenco tune La Malaguena (how do
I get that little squigle over the 'n')... it's just one of over 85
movie/tab/midi/commentary lessons there ... free, of course.

[Fletch]

Post by Kirk Lorange
http://www.guitarforbeginners.com/forum/ is where you'll find this
simplified version of thatbeautiful Flamenco tune La Malaguena (how do
I get that little squigle over the 'n')... it's just one of over 85
movie/tab/midi/commentary lessons there ... free, of course.

Free generally means without obligation or other requirements. I have to join to access this song.
That is not "free".

Thanks, but no thanks.

--Fletch

[ln]

Post by Fletch
Free generally means without obligation or other requirements. I have to join to access this song.
That is not "free".
Thanks, but no thanks.
--Fletch

You might be missing out. It's one of the best guitar sites for beginners
out there. It is FREE (i.e no financial cost), but you do have to register.
But then again you have to register for a lot of other forums on the net.
It minimises spam and other crap.

[Stephen Calder]

Post by Fletch

Post by Kirk Lorange
http://www.guitarforbeginners.com/forum/ is where you'll find this
simplified version of thatbeautiful Flamenco tune La Malaguena (how do
I get that little squigle over the 'n')... it's just one of over 85
movie/tab/midi/commentary lessons there ... free, of course.

Free generally means without obligation or other requirements. I have to
join to access this song. That is not "free".
Thanks, but no thanks.
--Fletch

It's worth it. I never get spam from these guys.

[Geezer]

Post by Fletch

Post by Kirk Lorange
http://www.guitarforbeginners.com/forum/ is where you'll find this
simplified version of thatbeautiful Flamenco tune La Malaguena (how do
I get that little squigle over the 'n')... it's just one of over 85
movie/tab/midi/commentary lessons there ... free, of course.

Free generally means without obligation or other requirements. I have to
join to access this song. That is not "free".
Thanks, but no thanks.
--Fletch

Too bad. You're the loser now. Resistration entails no obligations other
than a promise to obey the site regulations. You have to go through the same
type of registration to join almost every other guitar forum. Hell! You have
to do the same to get a Hotmail account.

Geezer

[Steve Perry]

Post by Fletch

Post by Kirk Lorange
http://www.guitarforbeginners.com/forum/ is where you'll find this
simplified version of thatbeautiful Flamenco tune La Malaguena (how do
I get that little squigle over the 'n')... it's just one of over 85
movie/tab/midi/commentary lessons there ... free, of course.

Free generally means without obligation or other requirements. I have to join
to access this song.
That is not "free".
Thanks, but no thanks.
--Fletch

Actually, free has a bunch of meanings. "Given or available without
charge." is one such, and in this case, I think Kirk is using the term
to mean "No money out of your pocket."

Filling out your name and email address and giving a password is not
really something that benefits Kirk, save as how it might stop a lot of
spam to his site.

His arrangements are generally easy for fumble-fingered players such as
myself, and easy on the ear. You can get vid showing the hands and
hearing the piece, along with tabs and advice, and all it costs is the
time it takes to download them.

The site is busy, but that ought to tell you something.

[Kirk Lorange]

Hi, Fletch. Not to worry. 110 or so player do join every day, though,
making the site one of the fastest growing guitar sites on the
Internet. If you are looking for fingerstyle lessons, you're missing
out. I'm surprised you don't understand that when I say 'free', I mean
you 'don't pay any money'.

Bixby ... the arrangement is just from my memory of all the versions
I've heard over the years. I guess you missed my disclaimer or you
wouldn't be asking the question. Here it is again:

"Disclaimer: I am not, nor do I pretend to be a Flamenco guitarist.
There is a great tradition and culture based around this music of which
I know very little. I learned several of these tunes by ear when I was
a teenager and I'm just passing on this bastardized version for your
playing enjoyment. Apologies to any authentic players who may stumble
upon this."

[nylon rob]

Dude provided knowledgable and informative commentary in a respectful

Post by bixby
As far as your version, I realize it is just for beginners. But I
thought it would be worth noting the traditional arrangements.

Knowing a tiny bit about the traditional arrangements, I thought it was
a good post and should not necessarily be interpreted as negatively as
you two seem to take it.

But that's just me ....

best,
rob

[bixby]

Post by nylon rob
Dude provided knowledgable and informative commentary in a respectful

Post by bixby
As far as your version, I realize it is just for beginners. But I
thought it would be worth noting the traditional arrangements.

Knowing a tiny bit about the traditional arrangements, I thought it was
a good post and should not necessarily be interpreted as negatively as
you two seem to take it.

Thanks Rob, appreciate you pointing that out.

[bixby]

Post by Kirk Lorange
Bixby ... the arrangement is just from my memory of all the versions
I've heard over the years. I guess you missed my disclaimer or you
"Disclaimer: I am not, nor do I pretend to be a Flamenco guitarist.
There is a great tradition and culture based around this music of which
I know very little. I learned several of these tunes by ear when I was
a teenager and I'm just passing on this bastardized version for your
playing enjoyment. Apologies to any authentic players who may stumble
upon this."

Hi Kirk. I was just trying to engage in some friendly discussion, that's
all. I wasn't making an issue out of anything. I was well aware of your
disclaimer.

[Kirk Lorange]

I didn't think you were taking issue bixby, it's just that you asked
where the arrangement came from, and that is what is answered in the
disclaimer.

So you think this should be called 'Malaguena' ... not 'La Malaguena'.
I didn't realize they were two different tunes. Here are some different
version of the one I'm familiar with:

http://www.terrencefarrell.com/MalaguenaVideo.html

or this one: http://www.ltsguitar.com/malaguena.ram or the Paco
version, which is just sublime,
http://www.ltsguitar.com/Malaguena-de-Lecuona.ram

Kirk

[Kevin L. Bowling]

Post by Kirk Lorange
I didn't think you were taking issue bixby, it's just that you asked

........

I think the Terrence Farrell version was just great. Thanks for that. I used
to think Brian Setzer's version was pretty cool but now you got me
wondering. I guess I should listen to yours, eh?

Kevin

[Ted Hart]

Post by Kirk Lorange
I didn't think you were taking issue bixby, it's just that you asked
where the arrangement came from, and that is what is answered in the
disclaimer.
So you think this should be called 'Malaguena' ... not 'La Malaguena'.
I didn't realize they were two different tunes. Here are some different
http://www.terrencefarrell.com/MalaguenaVideo.html
or this one: http://www.ltsguitar.com/malaguena.ram or the Paco
version, which is just sublime,
http://www.ltsguitar.com/Malaguena-de-Lecuona.ram
Kirk

This is probably a little off topic but ... when someone with a high
skill level is playing a song like that or actually playing any song
well, are they thinking of what notes they are hitting? Is there this
instant translation going on or is it that they have just played the
song so much the fingers just know where to go?

I am at a point where I can figure out the notes and play some simple
songs, but for the most part I don't think of the notes I'm playing. I
might know the names of the chords I'm in but thats it. Is that right
or wrong?

Ted

[bixby]

Post by Kirk Lorange
I didn't think you were taking issue bixby, it's just that you asked
where the arrangement came from, and that is what is answered in the
disclaimer.

Sure, fair enough.

Post by Kirk Lorange
So you think this should be called 'Malaguena' ... not 'La Malaguena'.

Who knows. Its confusing when you don't speak Spanish, to know what
these guys really mean or meant. I think your naming of the song as La
Malaguena is fine, and probably the equivelant of calling it simply
Malaguena. "Malaguena Salerosa" is a different song altogether, which
might sometimes be referred to as "La Malaguena" by some artists (likely
incorrectly on their part).

Bottom line, I am not Latin/Spanish so don't take my answers in any
official capacity!

Post by Kirk Lorange
I didn't realize they were two different tunes. Here are some different
http://www.terrencefarrell.com/MalaguenaVideo.html
or this one: http://www.ltsguitar.com/malaguena.ram
or the Paco version, which is just sublime,

I think you did a good job of it. Listening to the Paco De Lucia version
(which is awesome) there actually is a part which sounds similar to your
piece at the 30 second mark.

[Misifus]

Post by bixby

Post by Kirk Lorange
I didn't think you were taking issue bixby, it's just that you asked
where the arrangement came from, and that is what is answered in the
disclaimer.

Sure, fair enough.

Post by Kirk Lorange
So you think this should be called 'Malaguena' ... not 'La Malaguena'.

Who knows. Its confusing when you don't speak Spanish, to know what
these guys really mean or meant. I think your naming of the song as La
Malaguena is fine, and probably the equivelant of calling it simply
Malaguena. "Malaguena Salerosa" is a different song altogether, which
might sometimes be referred to as "La Malaguena" by some artists (likely
incorrectly on their part).
Bottom line, I am not Latin/Spanish so don't take my answers in any
official capacity!

Nor am I, but I am bilingue and familiar with the Latin culture. Una
Malguena is a type or form of song. Flamenco has numerous such styles,
which outline a sequence of rhythms and chords. The best known of these
is the very popular Malaguena written by Ernesto Lecuona, which has
become the most familiar and best known of the form

Malaguena Salerosa is a different song entirely. The word "Malaguena"
(I know I'm omitting the "n" with tilde, but it doesn't show up on all
systems) simply means a woman from Malaga.

Que bonitos ojos tienes, debajo de esas dos sejas,

Debajo de esas dos sejas, que bonitos ojos tienes.

Malaguena salerosa!

-Raf

[GoHabsGo]

Post by Misifus
Que bonitos ojos tienes, debajo de esas dos sejas,
Debajo de esas dos sejas, que bonitos ojos tienes.

What is a seja?

[Misifus]

Post by GoHabsGo

Post by Misifus
Que bonitos ojos tienes, debajo de esas dos sejas,
Debajo de esas dos sejas, que bonitos ojos tienes.

What is a seja?

Sejas are eyelashes.

-Raf

[GoHabsGo]

Post by Misifus

Post by GoHabsGo

Post by Misifus
Que bonitos ojos tienes, debajo de esas dos sejas,
Debajo de esas dos sejas, que bonitos ojos tienes.

What is a seja?

Sejas are eyelashes.

Gracias.

[Geezer]

Post by Misifus

Post by GoHabsGo

Post by Misifus
Que bonitos ojos tienes, debajo de esas dos sejas,
Debajo de esas dos sejas, que bonitos ojos tienes.

What is a seja?

Sejas are eyelashes.
-Raf

That would be Cejas.

Geezer

[Misifus]

Post by Geezer

Post by Misifus

Post by GoHabsGo

Post by Misifus
Que bonitos ojos tienes, debajo de esas dos sejas,
Debajo de esas dos sejas, que bonitos ojos tienes.

What is a seja?

Sejas are eyelashes.
-Raf

That would be Cejas.
Geezer

Probablemente, ortografia nunca fue mi mejor sujecto.

-Raf

[Fletch]

I stand corrected, and appropriately dressed down.

--Fletch

Post by Kirk Lorange
Hi, Fletch. Not to worry. 110 or so player do join every day, though,
making the site one of the fastest growing guitar sites on the
Internet. If you are looking for fingerstyle lessons, you're missing
out. I'm surprised you don't understand that when I say 'free', I mean
you 'don't pay any money'.
Bixby ... the arrangement is just from my memory of all the versions
I've heard over the years. I guess you missed my disclaimer or you
"Disclaimer: I am not, nor do I pretend to be a Flamenco guitarist.
There is a great tradition and culture based around this music of which
I know very little. I learned several of these tunes by ear when I was
a teenager and I'm just passing on this bastardized version for your
playing enjoyment. Apologies to any authentic players who may stumble
upon this."

[T N Nurse]

Post by Fletch

Post by Kirk Lorange
http://www.guitarforbeginners.com/forum/ is where you'll find this
simplified version of thatbeautiful Flamenco tune La Malaguena (how do
I get that little squigle over the 'n')... it's just one of over 85
movie/tab/midi/commentary lessons there ... free, of course.

Free generally means without obligation or other requirements. I have to join
to access this song.
That is not "free".
Thanks, but no thanks.

Free is generally taken to mean 'without charge'. There is no charge
for joining this forum.

Oh, and there's a neat little slide demo.

[Geezer]

Post by Kirk Lorange
http://www.guitarforbeginners.com/forum/ is where you'll find this
simplified version of thatbeautiful Flamenco tune La Malaguena (how do
I get that little squigle over the 'n')... it's just one of over 85
movie/tab/midi/commentary lessons there ... free, of course.

You simply have to use the ASCII character for the Spanish "n".
Depending on what software you're using, you may or may not have this option, though.
I'm sure someone hear can help.

BTW That squiggle is called 'tilde'. This site may help:
http://www.ergonis.com/products/popchar/index.php?ref=accdy01

You use Unidode characters to accomplish this. I haven't figured out how to do it in Outlook Express yet......

Geezer

[Lumpy]

Post by Geezer
You simply have to use the ASCII character for the Spanish "n".

ñ

In courier it's <ALT> 0241.
The 0241 is on the numeric keypad,
not the top row of numbers.

Just like the º symbol for
diminished chords is <ALT> 0186

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Lumpy
--
In Your Ears for 40 Years
http://www.lumpymusic.com

[Stephen Calder]

Post by Lumpy

Post by Geezer
You simply have to use the ASCII character for the Spanish "n".

ñ
In courier it's <ALT> 0241.
The 0241 is on the numeric keypad,
not the top row of numbers.
Just like the º symbol for
diminished chords is <ALT> 0186
Programs
accessories
system tools
character map
Lumpy
--
In Your Ears for 40 Years
http://www.lumpymusic.com

Thank you. That answers several questions for me.

[bixby]

Post by Kirk Lorange
http://www.guitarforbeginners.com/forum/ is where you'll find this
simplified version of thatbeautiful Flamenco tune La Malaguena (how do
I get that little squigle over the 'n')... it's just one of over 85
movie/tab/midi/commentary lessons there ... free, of course.

Hey Kirk.

I have studied flamenco guitar. Thanks for posting that. Good effort.
But I am just curious where/how did you come up with this arrangement?
The second part of your interpretation of the song sounds like a part
from a different Flamenso/Spanish song, but I could be wrong.

The only versions or "arrangements" I know of La Malaguena are the
following. Listen to those to get a better feel for the song.

http://www.pcdon.com/-Nana-Malagueña-Salerosa.wav
Performed by Nana Mouskouri - although the filename says Malaguena
Salerosa, the song is in the traditional arrangement of La Malaguena, and
similarly performed by other artists including George Dalaras.

http://www.pcdon.com/-Limeliters-Malagueña-Salerosa.wav
Performed by The Limeliters. This is "Malaguena Salerosa".

The naming is somewhat confusing. There is also another Spanish classic
called simply "Malaguena", and you can listen to Placido Domingo
performing it here:
http://www.pcdon.com/-PlacidoDomingo-Malagueña.wav

As far as your version, I realize it is just for beginners. But I
thought it would be worth noting the traditional arrangements.

[bixby]

http://www.pcdon.com/-PlacidoDomingo-Malague€a.wav

Let me re-post those links, as they contain some bad characters:

http://www.pcdon.com/-Nana-Malagueña-Salerosa.wav
http://www.pcdon.com/-Limeliters-Malagueña-Salerosa.wav
http://www.pcdon.com/-PlacidoDomingo-Malagueña.wav

[Kevin L. Bowling]

Bixby,
Thanks for those links. Very nice, although the Placido Dominguo was a
little too much for me. Still appreciated.

Kevin

[Kirk Lorange]

Thanks for the thumbs up Kevin!

As for my face ... I want people to keep coming back! Actually there's
a picture of me on the home page of htp://www.guitarforbeginners.com

[Kevin L. Bowling]

Well, I've seen your face and it's none too pretty, I was more referring to
your "guitar face". See "Five Sharp's" videos or just think about any pedal
steel player you've ever seen, or the faces blues guys make while stompin'
on the wah wah pedal. Those faces are a pretty important part of music to
some folks (especially those who use em) and I think they're classic. I try
to make faces conciously but it don't help.

Kevin

[Kevin L. Bowling]

To whom it may concern:
I've been familiar with Kirk Lorange for a little over two years now via
this forum. I was skeptical at first. I signed up at guitarforbeginners.com
as soon as registration was required (a few months ago) I haven't had a
single spam from them. Seen nothing from Kirk the entire time but good
music, good products and a desire to pass on what he knows. If he's found a
way to make a profit, or even a living, from it, I say more power to ya.
Your loss if you don't look, the quality of Kirk's lessons has gotten to be
the best on the web with the dual views. Never see his face though, I'd be
very interested in seeing his guitar faces especially on his beautiful slide
compositions. Gotta be ugly. How about it, Kirk? The face making lesson is
important too...or maybe you don't wanna give away too many trade
secrets????

Kevin
PS I am not affiliated with Kirk's site but I know him to be a good guy and
his lessons are top-notch. He's got a bunch of good stuff at soundclick and
kirklorange.com as well. A top contributor at www.wholenote.com You should
buy one of his slides if he still sells them