Discussion:
Do solid-body electric guitars need to be humidifed?
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b***@gmail.com
2007-01-23 18:51:58 UTC
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I currently own an acoustic but would like to buy a Strat, Les Paul or
something similar in the near future. I currently humidify my acoustic
with an Oasis humidifier, and I was wondering if the electric needs it
too. If not, should it be left in the case when not in use? Thanks.
Jim
2007-01-23 19:27:12 UTC
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Post by b***@gmail.com
I currently own an acoustic but would like to buy a Strat, Les Paul or
something similar in the near future. I currently humidify my acoustic
with an Oasis humidifier, and I was wondering if the electric needs it
too. If not, should it be left in the case when not in use? Thanks.
Generally, no. But changes in temperature and humidity can affect the
neck. Depends on your climate. Live in a sub zero area? Your house
may be VERY dry in the winter. Then, if you have hot humid summers you
might have to do more frequent truss rod adjustments than I have to do.
It's help to have AC in summer and humidifier in the winter. Wide
and/or rapid swings in temperature and humidity are what cause problems
in solid bodies.
b***@gmail.com
2007-01-23 20:05:12 UTC
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I live in NYC, so the winters make my apt dry with the internal heat.
I have a humidifer that I keep at 50%, so I figure if I keep the guitar
in the case when I'm not using it I should be ok. I'd love to be able
to keep it out on display though.
Post by Jim
Post by b***@gmail.com
I currently own an acoustic but would like to buy a Strat, Les Paul or
something similar in the near future. I currently humidify my acoustic
with an Oasis humidifier, and I was wondering if the electric needs it
too. If not, should it be left in the case when not in use? Thanks.
Generally, no. But changes in temperature and humidity can affect the
neck. Depends on your climate. Live in a sub zero area? Your house
may be VERY dry in the winter. Then, if you have hot humid summers you
might have to do more frequent truss rod adjustments than I have to do.
It's help to have AC in summer and humidifier in the winter. Wide
and/or rapid swings in temperature and humidity are what cause problems
in solid bodies.
Lumpy
2007-01-23 20:30:55 UTC
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...I currently humidify my
acoustic with an Oasis humidifier,
and I was wondering if the
electric needs it too...
Yes it does.

Ever experience a wooden door or drawer or
chair that changes dimension when the weather
changes? Door gets 'tight' when the humidity goes up.
Chair gets 'wobbly' when the weather gets dry.

Solid body guitars do the same thing.

Closer to home, ever feel the fret ends poking out
of the fretboard when the weather gets dry?

Pianos and Oboes and Clarinets use humidifiers.
They are solid wood instruments.


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JeffinMS
2007-01-23 20:49:40 UTC
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Post by Lumpy
...I currently humidify my
acoustic with an Oasis humidifier,
and I was wondering if the
electric needs it too...
Yes it does.
Ever experience a wooden door or drawer or
chair that changes dimension when the weather
changes? Door gets 'tight' when the humidity goes up.
Chair gets 'wobbly' when the weather gets dry.
Solid body guitars do the same thing.
Closer to home, ever feel the fret ends poking out
of the fretboard when the weather gets dry?
Pianos and Oboes and Clarinets use humidifiers.
They are solid wood instruments.
Lumpy
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Since the topic here is Humidifiers, I have a question as well. I havent
ever humidified any of my guitars. But my wife just bought me that Tak and
Id like to keep it in as extrodinarily good condition for as long as
possible. I would assume humidifieng would be on the list of things to do.
But, what if it were kept in a case in a house in a relative average temp of
78 degrees say 90 % of the time and taken out maybe 10% of the time with
maybe only a 4-5 degree change (Until Summer, then it will go from 70's to
high 90's for short periods when the guitar is taken in and out of cars).
The humidity here is pretty well consistent year round with an average of
74% with a slight rise in the summer. In these conditions would it still be
neccesary to humidify. Currently all 8 guitars, 2 hollow bodies, 3
accoustics and 3 solid bodies are all kept on stands in the open at right
around 78 degrees and with a fan going. Very low humidity as well, probably
65-75 %.
Paul
2007-01-24 02:22:58 UTC
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Post by JeffinMS
Currently all 8 guitars, 2 hollow bodies, 3
accoustics and 3 solid bodies are all kept on stands in the open at right
around 78 degrees and with a fan going. Very low humidity as well, probably
65-75 %.
I wouldn't call that low. The company that made my
acoustic (Godin) keeps the humidity in their factory
at 45% and recommends keeping the guitar at as close
to that as possible.

Around here the humidity can reach 100% in the summer,
not much I can do about that, and in the winter if
it weren't for a whole house humidifier, it would go
down to 20% or so. I keep things around 50% during
the winter. Haven't had any problems.

Paul
Lumpy
2007-01-24 05:09:28 UTC
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Post by JeffinMS
Since the topic here is Humidifiers, I have a question as well. I
havent ever humidified any of my guitars. But my wife just bought me
that Tak and Id like to keep it in as extrodinarily good condition
for as long as possible. I would assume humidifieng would be on the
list of things to do. But, what if it were kept in a case in a house
in a relative average temp of 78 degrees say 90 % of the time and
taken out maybe 10% of the time with maybe only a 4-5 degree change
(Until Summer, then it will go from 70's to high 90's for short
periods when the guitar is taken in and out of cars). The humidity
here is pretty well consistent year round with an average of 74% with
a slight rise in the summer. In these conditions would it still be
neccesary to humidify. Currently all 8 guitars, 2 hollow bodies, 3
accoustics and 3 solid bodies are all kept on stands in the open at
right around 78 degrees and with a fan going. Very low humidity as
well, probably 65-75 %.
I'd suggest a couple of trains of thought.
1) the humidity inside your house is probably
quite a bit different from that outside. Heating and
A/C change the relative humidity.

2) Humidity CHANGES are pretty rough on wood. If the
guitar was kept at 35% all the time (lower than ideal)
or at 75% (higher than ideal) it would probably survive
better than if it went through changes of 10% or more
all the time. Here in Phoenix, for example, it might
be 18% during the morning, then an afternoon monsoon
comes through and bumps it up to 80%.

A humidifier, any humidifier, will help to "levelize"
those drastic changes. Planet Waves is currently marketing
one that "works both ways" to humidify and to de-humidify.
But in real life, any passive, sponge type humidifier will
do that. Recall back to high school biology and "Osmosis".
Remember that? Diffusion through a semi-permeable membrane?

The sponge releases moisture when the environment around it
is dry. The sponge absorbs moisture when the environment around
it is wet. Trying to maintain homeostasis. If you live in the
south and it's 95% humidity and you don't have A/C that's
drying the air, you put a wet sponge on the counter and it
stays wet. It doesn't dry out. Likewise, if you put a dry
sponge on the counter under those conditions,
it soaks up water from the air and gets soft.

So for the $12 that a humidifier costs, it's cheap insurance.
Post by JeffinMS
Lumpy, what type of humidifer do you recommend for an electric?
I use the same Martin "snakes" that I use for acoustics.
On an archtop guitar, I stick the snake in the F hole.
On a solid body, I fold the snake in half and wedge it
in the strings between the pickups.
Post by JeffinMS
Personally, I would say don't worry about it on a solid body guitar. I
don't, but the neck may shrink a bit leaving the fret ends sticking
out a bit. This is very common, and is easily fixed by a decent
luthier with a file. Generally only has to be done once and from
that point on you can just leave the guitar be. As other posters
have said, however, you will probably have to tweak the truss rod
from season to season, but this is common, too.
When the neck shrinks and/or when you continually adjust the truss
rod, you're changing the shape and dimensions of the guitar. I
prefer to try and keep the guitar in the dimensions that the
designer specified.

Besides the structural shrink/expand effects of humidity,
there is a very real sonic difference in a dry vs a humidified
guitar. Even guitars with a finish, like solid bodies, absorb
moisture from the air at all the points where there is no
finish. And particularly on an unfinished fretboard.

I've posted the link to my humidifier guide before.
Here it is again, along with some of my other guides.

http://search.reviews.ebay.com/members/songthief_W0QQuqtZg


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Charmed Snark
2007-01-24 17:01:54 UTC
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Post by JeffinMS
Post by Lumpy
...I currently humidify my
acoustic with an Oasis humidifier,
and I was wondering if the
electric needs it too...
Yes it does.
Ever experience a wooden door or drawer or
chair that changes dimension when the weather
changes? Door gets 'tight' when the humidity goes up.
Chair gets 'wobbly' when the weather gets dry.
Solid body guitars do the same thing.
Closer to home, ever feel the fret ends poking out
of the fretboard when the weather gets dry?
Pianos and Oboes and Clarinets use humidifiers.
They are solid wood instruments.
Lumpy
--
Since the topic here is Humidifiers, I have a question as well. I
havent ever humidified any of my guitars. But my wife just bought
me that Tak and Id like to keep it in as extrodinarily good
condition for as long as possible. I would assume humidifieng
would be on the list of things to do. But, what if it were kept in
a case in a house in a relative average temp of 78 degrees say 90
% of the time and taken out maybe 10% of the time with maybe only
a 4-5 degree change (Until Summer, then it will go from 70's to
high 90's for short periods when the guitar is taken in and out of
cars). The humidity here is pretty well consistent year round with
an average of 74% with a slight rise in the summer. ...
What are you _measuring_ humidity with? Some readings are
notoriously bad. Be sure to invest in a decent meter. Its probably a
good idea to calibrate your meter as well, but I don't have the link
handy for that.

Snark.
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b***@gmail.com
2007-01-24 00:46:55 UTC
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Lumpy, what type of humidifer do you recommend for an electric?
Post by Lumpy
...I currently humidify my
acoustic with an Oasis humidifier,
and I was wondering if the
electric needs it too...Yes it does.
Ever experience a wooden door or drawer or
chair that changes dimension when the weather
changes? Door gets 'tight' when the humidity goes up.
Chair gets 'wobbly' when the weather gets dry.
Solid body guitars do the same thing.
Closer to home, ever feel the fret ends poking out
of the fretboard when the weather gets dry?
Pianos and Oboes and Clarinets use humidifiers.
They are solid wood instruments.
Lumpy
--
You were on Leave it to Beaver?
No, I was on on CHiPs. That Beaver Lumpy
was Frank Bank.www.lumpymusic.net
Sheldon
2007-01-24 02:24:33 UTC
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Post by b***@gmail.com
Lumpy, what type of humidifer do you recommend for an electric?
Just dip it in a bucket of water. Seriously, there is no way to get a
humidifier into the body of the guitar, so you would need some kind of
instrument case humidifier and just stick it in there and close the lid. I
think Planet Waves makes one that's kinda shaped like an egg, and I've heard
of people putting sponges in plastic film cans with holes drilled in them to
let the humidity out. A room humidifier or central heating humidifier is
ideal, and will take care of all your instruments.

Personally, I would say don't worry about it on a solid body guitar. I
don't, but the neck may shrink a bit leaving the fret ends sticking out a
bit. This is very common, and is easily fixed by a decent luthier with a
file. Generally only has to be done once and from that point on you can
just leave the guitar be. As other posters have said, however, you will
probably have to tweak the truss rod from season to season, but this is
common, too.

Actually, when you think about it, the finish on a solid body guitar pretty
much seals it from humidity getting in or out.
E=Fb
2007-01-24 15:11:39 UTC
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Post by Sheldon
Post by b***@gmail.com
Lumpy, what type of humidifer do you recommend for an electric?
Just dip it in a bucket of water. Seriously, there is no way to get a
humidifier into the body of the guitar, so you would need some kind of
instrument case humidifier and just stick it in there and close the lid.
I think Planet Waves makes one that's kinda shaped like an egg, and I've
heard of people putting sponges in plastic film cans with holes drilled in
them to let the humidity out. A room humidifier or central heating
humidifier is ideal, and will take care of all your instruments.
Personally, I would say don't worry about it on a solid body guitar. I
don't, but the neck may shrink a bit leaving the fret ends sticking out a
bit. This is very common, and is easily fixed by a decent luthier with a
file. Generally only has to be done once and from that point on you can
just leave the guitar be. As other posters have said, however, you will
probably have to tweak the truss rod from season to season, but this is
common, too.
Actually, when you think about it, the finish on a solid body guitar
pretty much seals it from humidity getting in or out.
Here I have pretty dry winter (not this year though) but I usually boil
water on the stove and it puts moisture in the air. It makes it more
comfortable to live in rather than raise the temp.

My guitars are probably more comfortable too. :)
David Martel
2007-01-24 19:54:45 UTC
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E,

The water on the stove trick has never worked for me. You need to put
gallons of water into the air every day during the Winter in a cold
environment. Case humidifiers are my solution.

Dave M.

Charmed Snark
2007-01-24 17:04:27 UTC
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Post by Sheldon
Post by b***@gmail.com
Lumpy, what type of humidifer do you recommend for an electric?
Just dip it in a bucket of water.
Man, I am still laughing at that!

That settles it-- "post of the week" as far as I am concerned.
Post by Sheldon
Actually, when you think about it, the finish on a solid body
guitar pretty much seals it from humidity getting in or out.
The finish is the least of your worries-- I'd worry about your fretwork
and neck etc. Despite your good sense of humour, you'd do well to take
that part seriously. ;-)

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